LOLdengbang wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:57 pm The funny part is that once you meet gonblott in person, regardless of knowing his past or not, you quickly realize he's not someone from the hobby you want to hang around.
LOLdengbang wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:57 pm The funny part is that once you meet gonblott in person, regardless of knowing his past or not, you quickly realize he's not someone from the hobby you want to hang around.
benxcrunner1 wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 11:35 am Do you think it does more harm or good for the hobby? I think if they deleted the "CL Value" is would be great, but trying to guess the value of a card seems really really stupid to me, let the collector make their own decision without outside influence.
benxcrunner1 wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 11:35 am Do you think it does more harm or good for the hobby? I think if they deleted the "CL Value" is would be great, but trying to guess the value of a card seems really really stupid to me, let the collector make their own decision without outside influence.
Thousands of dollars in a single day? Holy crap dude, that's wild. Yeah, seems like that algorithm is a real piece of shit. If I remember correctly, he got the sales data from PWCC, which was a dirty source due to all the shilling. This is 100% confirmed by eBay themselves who kicked PWCC off their platform for shilling. PWCC now is a Fanatics service and it's a safe bet that the shilling is still going on. I have to go back and read the thread, but I vaguely remember him not understanding the point that if the data is from shilled finishing prices that it's not useable to reflect actual values, then doubling down on it.benxcrunner1 wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:02 am Interesting threads. I find that a lot of the cards I buy on ebay never end up on CL so the data is imperfect at best. The CL value is also highly inaccurate. I've had cards I own swing wildly, like thousands of dollars in a single day. I've purchased cards for much cheaper and more expensive than what the so called "algorithm" says they would go for at auction. Not sure where Chris got the data claiming his algo was 80%+ accurate at predicting values...
Thousands of dollars in a single day? Holy crap dude, that's wild. Yeah, seems like that algorithm is a real piece of shit. If I remember correctly, he got the sales data from PWCC, which was a dirty source due to all the shilling. This is 100% confirmed by eBay themselves who kicked PWCC off their platform for shilling. PWCC now is a Fanatics service and it's a safe bet that the shilling is still going on. I have to go back and read the thread, but I vaguely remember him not understanding the point that if the data is from shilled finishing prices that it's not useable to reflect actual values, then doubling down on it.benxcrunner1 wrote: Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:02 am Interesting threads. I find that a lot of the cards I buy on ebay never end up on CL so the data is imperfect at best. The CL value is also highly inaccurate. I've had cards I own swing wildly, like thousands of dollars in a single day. I've purchased cards for much cheaper and more expensive than what the so called "algorithm" says they would go for at auction. Not sure where Chris got the data claiming his algo was 80%+ accurate at predicting values...
SHowley2003 wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:03 pm Did you take a break from everything because you were abducted by aliens though?!?
mindcycle wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:46 pm
It's hard to tell exactly, but the telltale signs of memory loss and dreams of aliens seem to be there. So, yes I believe I was..
lmao i know rightdarz90scardz wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 6:29 am Abra old buddy old pal, you should be the last to talk about taking breaks from cards![]()
SHowley2003 wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:03 pm Did you take a break from everything because you were abducted by aliens though?!?
mindcycle wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:46 pm
It's hard to tell exactly, but the telltale signs of memory loss and dreams of aliens seem to be there. So, yes I believe I was..
lmao i know rightdarz90scardz wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 6:29 am Abra old buddy old pal, you should be the last to talk about taking breaks from cards![]()
Thanks dude. Maybe I'll piece together the Gold Medallion from 95/96 at some point, love the design on that one too.darz90scardz wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 6:36 am +1 on Rising Stars, and the set looks so good all together like that.
Thanks dude. Maybe I'll piece together the Gold Medallion from 95/96 at some point, love the design on that one too.darz90scardz wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 6:36 am +1 on Rising Stars, and the set looks so good all together like that.
Woah, so you've got 191/200? That's ridiculous. Well done and good luck grabbing the rest!mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Below is a link to a post where I have a photo of one of my binder pages. I'm currently down to 9 left for my set!
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Do you remember when people were trying to make Optic more valuable than Prizm? I wholly agree it's superior if only for the superior photography, not to mention the Optic specific parallels like the velocities are better than the prizm cracked ice, in my opinion. On the topic of 17-18 Optic, what was up with that? I guess Panini trying to do something different with those brown borders? Good effort, I guess. The Donruss lasers from 17-18 are also weird. THey don't have the laser effect...mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Another set I've always really liked is Optic. It was never as hyped as Prizm so you could generally get them for cheaper. In later years they actually look a lot better than Prizm as well IMO. Especially photography-wise. Prizm went close up dribbling or holding the ball for the most part while Optiic maintained the in game action photos. (Besides 17-18 Optic, that release sucked lol)
Some great choices and fan favorites for sure. Since you brought it up, 2009 Court Kings along with a ton of 09-10 Panini releases, is SO underappreciated. There was certainly room for improvement but as a first year foray into basketball cards, the designs looked good and each set had its own flavor and personality. Court Kings specifically was a great product with the canvas base with sneaky great action game photography:Cardiac kemba pc wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:00 am I do like the 17 and 18 status cards, 2017 blank slate, one and one along with photogenic. A set I particularly like the look of is the 2009 court kings base set. If only kemba was around then I would be grabbing that for sure.
Dude don't even know where to begin. You did such a good job summarizing some of the awesome higher end Panini stuff. What stands out to me is that it's all early year Panini stuff before a lot of stuff went to stickers and started looking the same. Select and Preferred on card autos were awesome. Of course the Flawless patches and immaculate autos are no brainers. I think Noir has a Shadowbox acetate auto set too at some point, though I don't know what years or what players were featured.]]>AbraCalabro wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 5:33 pm I also really enjoyed their Prizm stuff, but not all the years because they just got worse and worse as time went on, too many parallels. Even though 13/14 is my favorite design, they have 10 parallels, more/less, otherwise 13/14 Prizm is definitely on my list.
Getting onto offerings from Immaculate and Flawless, this is where I have the most interest. Kemp had very little in the way of autos and game used with Upper Deck and very few GU items from Fleer/Skybox. Fortunately, Panini delivered when it comes to auto/GU and in particular their Sneaker cards, which are stellar.
BOTTOM LINE - They did a lot of stuff really well and provided stuff that other companies completely failed to do. For example, more guys should have been in Exquisite, but were not properly represented and Panini picked up the ball, where UD dropped the ball. However, a lot of stuff Panini did right, they tend to kill off with bad subsequent designs and too many parallels.
13/14 Prizm Gold and Donruss Optic with a more classic border.
Autos + great photography and design.
Glorious GU stuff, absolutely MONSTER patches here. The Cavs card looks like it's part of the number 4, the Sonics patches I think are part of the number and the K in Kemp upside down. The Sneaker Swatch card is a 360pt monster, it's a cinder block of a card and feels super premium. My only complaints about these Flawless examples is they don't have the gold holofoil parallels, the only holofoil is on the 1/1 cards as far as I know.
The Shadow Box Signatures gold /10 is a really cool one, golden holofoil pops. I don't know if these were done pre-Panini.
Woah, so you've got 191/200? That's ridiculous. Well done and good luck grabbing the rest!mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Below is a link to a post where I have a photo of one of my binder pages. I'm currently down to 9 left for my set!
viewtopic.php?p=973#p973
Do you remember when people were trying to make Optic more valuable than Prizm? I wholly agree it's superior if only for the superior photography, not to mention the Optic specific parallels like the velocities are better than the prizm cracked ice, in my opinion. On the topic of 17-18 Optic, what was up with that? I guess Panini trying to do something different with those brown borders? Good effort, I guess. The Donruss lasers from 17-18 are also weird. THey don't have the laser effect...mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Another set I've always really liked is Optic. It was never as hyped as Prizm so you could generally get them for cheaper. In later years they actually look a lot better than Prizm as well IMO. Especially photography-wise. Prizm went close up dribbling or holding the ball for the most part while Optiic maintained the in game action photos. (Besides 17-18 Optic, that release sucked lol)
Some great choices and fan favorites for sure. Since you brought it up, 2009 Court Kings along with a ton of 09-10 Panini releases, is SO underappreciated. There was certainly room for improvement but as a first year foray into basketball cards, the designs looked good and each set had its own flavor and personality. Court Kings specifically was a great product with the canvas base with sneaky great action game photography:Cardiac kemba pc wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:00 am I do like the 17 and 18 status cards, 2017 blank slate, one and one along with photogenic. A set I particularly like the look of is the 2009 court kings base set. If only kemba was around then I would be grabbing that for sure.
Dude don't even know where to begin. You did such a good job summarizing some of the awesome higher end Panini stuff. What stands out to me is that it's all early year Panini stuff before a lot of stuff went to stickers and started looking the same. Select and Preferred on card autos were awesome. Of course the Flawless patches and immaculate autos are no brainers. I think Noir has a Shadowbox acetate auto set too at some point, though I don't know what years or what players were featured.]]>AbraCalabro wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 5:33 pm I also really enjoyed their Prizm stuff, but not all the years because they just got worse and worse as time went on, too many parallels. Even though 13/14 is my favorite design, they have 10 parallels, more/less, otherwise 13/14 Prizm is definitely on my list.
Getting onto offerings from Immaculate and Flawless, this is where I have the most interest. Kemp had very little in the way of autos and game used with Upper Deck and very few GU items from Fleer/Skybox. Fortunately, Panini delivered when it comes to auto/GU and in particular their Sneaker cards, which are stellar.
BOTTOM LINE - They did a lot of stuff really well and provided stuff that other companies completely failed to do. For example, more guys should have been in Exquisite, but were not properly represented and Panini picked up the ball, where UD dropped the ball. However, a lot of stuff Panini did right, they tend to kill off with bad subsequent designs and too many parallels.
13/14 Prizm Gold and Donruss Optic with a more classic border.
Autos + great photography and design.
Glorious GU stuff, absolutely MONSTER patches here. The Cavs card looks like it's part of the number 4, the Sonics patches I think are part of the number and the K in Kemp upside down. The Sneaker Swatch card is a 360pt monster, it's a cinder block of a card and feels super premium. My only complaints about these Flawless examples is they don't have the gold holofoil parallels, the only holofoil is on the 1/1 cards as far as I know.
The Shadow Box Signatures gold /10 is a really cool one, golden holofoil pops. I don't know if these were done pre-Panini.
Ummmm, yep, that’ll doer.
Ummmm, yep, that’ll doer.
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damn good choice on that one, I really enjoy the landscape orientation]]>ChrisP57 wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:35 pm I like to add to MJ PC every now and then. This was one on my want list
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damn good choice on that one, I really enjoy the landscape orientation]]>ChrisP57 wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:35 pm I like to add to MJ PC every now and then. This was one on my want list
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Sick pick up. Back when I used to player collect hardcore I'd search for additions to the collection like this. Found some pretty neat stuff over the years. I enjoyed adding stuff like this a lot of times more than the rare stuff with a big $$$ following.BucksInSix wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:15 am This came in the mail over the weekend and I am still trying to find out what it is. I plan on framing it for display in my office. There is a set of ripped apart cards from this release on eBay, but no sales. It looks like it was an in-arena giveaway from the 1988/89 season and Bill King (Bucks Director of Public Relations) taped the winners contact information to his letterhead. Other than that I have no information, but I think it is a pretty unique piece of Milwaukee Bucks memorabilia.
damn good choice on that one, I really enjoy the landscape orientationChrisP57 wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:35 pm I like to add to MJ PC every now and then. This was one on my want list
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Sick pick up. Back when I used to player collect hardcore I'd search for additions to the collection like this. Found some pretty neat stuff over the years. I enjoyed adding stuff like this a lot of times more than the rare stuff with a big $$$ following.BucksInSix wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:15 am This came in the mail over the weekend and I am still trying to find out what it is. I plan on framing it for display in my office. There is a set of ripped apart cards from this release on eBay, but no sales. It looks like it was an in-arena giveaway from the 1988/89 season and Bill King (Bucks Director of Public Relations) taped the winners contact information to his letterhead. Other than that I have no information, but I think it is a pretty unique piece of Milwaukee Bucks memorabilia.
damn good choice on that one, I really enjoy the landscape orientationChrisP57 wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:35 pm I like to add to MJ PC every now and then. This was one on my want list
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Absolutely LOVE 09-10 Certified. So nostalgic for me (I started collecting in Jan 2010). I have a binder of my 09-10 certified at my parents that got lost when they did some work on their house a decade ago that I hope I can find someday. I didn't realize that Panini started with greens /5 from the get go.BucksInSix wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 11:58 am Fun fact, Derrick Rose was 9th place in MVP voting for the 2020/21 season. He had move MVP points that year than LeBron, Harden, Kawhi and Westbrook combined.
Anyway, here is a 2nd year Certified Base Emerald /5
Absolutely LOVE 09-10 Certified. So nostalgic for me (I started collecting in Jan 2010). I have a binder of my 09-10 certified at my parents that got lost when they did some work on their house a decade ago that I hope I can find someday. I didn't realize that Panini started with greens /5 from the get go.BucksInSix wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 11:58 am Fun fact, Derrick Rose was 9th place in MVP voting for the 2020/21 season. He had move MVP points that year than LeBron, Harden, Kawhi and Westbrook combined.
Anyway, here is a 2nd year Certified Base Emerald /5
AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:46 pm Got this in very recently, courtesy of THE HOOKUP from our very own Duron. As president of the Nickel Card Club, I have to say this is a classic example of collectors helping collectors. He didn't ask for anything for it, he JUST sent it.
BIG...and I mean a big 7'1 303 pound addition to my curated SPx Finite Spectrum build. Card has it all, design, photography (outstanding action photo), premium feel and it bounces a ton of rainbow colored light back at you.
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ChrisP57 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:14 pm Cool mailday today. Magic Johnson Autograph Game Used All Star Patch from Exquisite
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AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:46 pm Got this in very recently, courtesy of THE HOOKUP from our very own Duron. As president of the Nickel Card Club, I have to say this is a classic example of collectors helping collectors. He didn't ask for anything for it, he JUST sent it.
BIG...and I mean a big 7'1 303 pound addition to my curated SPx Finite Spectrum build. Card has it all, design, photography (outstanding action photo), premium feel and it bounces a ton of rainbow colored light back at you.
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ChrisP57 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:14 pm Cool mailday today. Magic Johnson Autograph Game Used All Star Patch from Exquisite
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This and the T68 (Heroes of History) is what really got me into vintage non-sports sets. Both of those sets are something I got into collecting when I was taking a break from sports cards, probably 7-8 years ago or so I think it was. Right around the time of the awful 17-18 season of releases (imo at least) where there was maybe like one or two sets from Panini that didn't feature 90% dribbling or holding the ball pics. I had just had enough I think, lol. I'm not a huge history buff or anything, it was just something new and interesting to pick up really and it does help you learn more about some of the prominent figures from those time periods. I didn't start going after sets too hard until the last few years though, and probably a bit late tbh. Like everything else in cards nowadays it seems, some of the more well known names (think.. Lincoln, Washington, etc..) people are now grading and flipping. Bringing up prices, but also making raw copies harder to find.AbraCalabro wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 5:18 pm What got you into this set? I know you mentioned the budget for something like this is different than baseball from the same era, but are you into history? Or just like the artwork?
This and the T68 (Heroes of History) is what really got me into vintage non-sports sets. Both of those sets are something I got into collecting when I was taking a break from sports cards, probably 7-8 years ago or so I think it was. Right around the time of the awful 17-18 season of releases (imo at least) where there was maybe like one or two sets from Panini that didn't feature 90% dribbling or holding the ball pics. I had just had enough I think, lol. I'm not a huge history buff or anything, it was just something new and interesting to pick up really and it does help you learn more about some of the prominent figures from those time periods. I didn't start going after sets too hard until the last few years though, and probably a bit late tbh. Like everything else in cards nowadays it seems, some of the more well known names (think.. Lincoln, Washington, etc..) people are now grading and flipping. Bringing up prices, but also making raw copies harder to find.AbraCalabro wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 5:18 pm What got you into this set? I know you mentioned the budget for something like this is different than baseball from the same era, but are you into history? Or just like the artwork?